David Gilmour:’ I’ve been bonded to Charlie since he was three. We were incensed by the sin’

Charlie Gilmour went to prison for clambering the Cenotaph in 2011. 3 years later, he returned to prison to hear a concerted effort that changed his life and his familys

David Gilmour is the singer and guitarist in Pink Floyd , now a solo artist. He is married to the novelist Polly Samson and borrowed her son, Charlie, by the poet and master Heathcote Williams, who had moved out when their son was five months old-time, saying he couldnt cope with having a newborn. David has four children from his first matrimony and three younger infants, in addition to Charlie, with Polly.

Charlie, a correspondent and activist for the Howard League for Penal Reform, was given a 16 -month prison sentence in 2011 after shaking from trade union organizations flag at the Cenotaph, in London, while on a student show, having admitted to violent disorder. Area of his defense was that he was off his head on dopes, dealing here being rejected by his biological father. At 21, and still at Cambridge University, he was one of the youngest inmates.

In 2014, Charlie returned to prison this time as a member of the gathering at Wandsworth for a concerted effort by the benevolence I co-founded, Liberty Choir, whose members include acting prisoners. He was so moved that he coaxed his mothers to come to the prison to experience the choir themselves.

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Charlie Gilmour climbing the Cenotaph, a memorial to those who died in world war i. Image: Ki Price

In 2015, the Liberty Choir played on the entitle single of David Gilmours No 1 solo album, Rattle That Lock. David Gilmour is now the patron of the Liberty Choir. Father and son describe this result as healing and transformative for the whole clas a way of walking out of the dark into the light.

I talked to David at the kitchen counter at the house where he lives with Polly in Hove, overlooking the sea, where Charlie returned to live during his curfew months. A few weeks later, I visited Charlie at his new home in Camberwell, south London, which he shares with his fiancee, Janina Pedan( they are getting married later this month) and their rescued newborn magpie, Benzene. The bird sits on their leaders and merrily lands gently on guests forearms as I find, somewhat to my bewilderment, during our interview.

Both interviewees are courteous emcees: David making a perfect flat lily-white and Charlie offering Turkish thrill and tea, perhaps bearing out Charlies belief that foster is stonger than nature.

Charlie Gilmour

As a small child, I had lots of dirty protests against David shitting down the stairs and along the walls. When I got to the bottom of the stairs, I went into the lavatory with a utensil of green colour and coated Davids face out of all of the photos. It was very bad of me he had taken me into his house and encouraged me and then it turned out I was a cuckoos egg, cracked and divulged, who shed all the other eggs out of the nest.

He was very calm about it all I never recollect witnessing him get angry.

This phase went on for years and years and years. Up to the age of eight or nine, I refused to kiss him goodnight Id kiss my mother but not him and he got very upset by that and would say, Charlie, why dont you kiss me Goodnight? And Id remark, Im sorry, Im merely not gay.

I had a lot of unresolved stuffs with my biological father, and was baffled, and it was hard to let David fill that space before I had dealt with the original person who was claiming their respective territories even though he[ Heathcote] wasnt claiming that territory.

My father was an unsolved mystery. I would periodically get, quite softly, upset about it and then ask my mum to tell me about him and try to get to the bottom of the reasons why he had left. But she didnt know either.

When I was 11, a mutual acquaintance of my parents and Heathcote a magician announced Simon Drake set up a meet. He said to me, Charlie, Do you want to get to know your biological father? I instantly said yes.

I was very curious because all I had of him were these autographed notebooks. The whale one, the car one, the elephant one … and, actually, I shouldnt be aim about it because, even though it seems like a narcisstic concept to do, the only room he knows of emotionally connecting to people is through his poetry.

So we assembled, weirdly, in Yo! Sushi at Paddington station. He was wearing a jumper with faults in and an old-time tweed coat and some cravaty act and I discovered we have the same gazes and chin. Hes a magician and did magic tricks, told me stuffs about his life. I was quite charmed by him.

The role I had assigned to him was, hes possibly not going to take over the parent capacity but he can be a sort of interesting uncle character figure in my life.

We then knew any other find, a few weeks later, at Simon Drakes House of Magic, full of Victorian dioramas and laids, and he exactly wasnt that interested. He was working on some campaign against GM crops and I was this 11 -year-old playing on the flooring with a loud plaything and it merely felt like I was irking him. I can still entirely be kept in mind that appearing I had. Ive sort of come to terms with it but one thing that I did feel very strongly was the hypocrisy of someone wanting to save the otters but not really being able to care for his own child.

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David and Charlie on a trampoline. Photo: Sarah Lee for the Guardian

We had been exchanging emails it was when the Harry Potter cinemas were being made and I was quite into them. The second cinema had come out because he was an actor I said that he would be excellent as the character Sirius Black( played in the films by Gary Oldman) a follower with wild pitch-black whisker and wolfish. I wrote to him adding, I think you should go for the capacity you would be really good.

And then , nothing, I was entirely cut off. I think what had happened is that his mother had died.

I was somewhat upset, I have to say. I had said in my heading, Well make this compromise. You dont “re going to have to” make up for all the years of not having was right here but we can have this lovely, informal connection.

And then he couldnt even do that, which was disappointing.

David, though, was and is, in many ways, the perfect father and we are now very, very close. He is a kind party, very generous with his time and his vigour. We would climb trees together or move shoots in the countryside. He had as much season as you require and was willing to put a lot of attempt into going along with whatever campaigns interested me.

When I was 11, I wanted to build a little wooden chest. We worked on the plans together and after maybe about half an hour, I slightly lost interest and came back eight hours later and, on his own, he had built this chest and sanded it and then I varnished it. It had a secret bay, a false-hearted tush which was Davids design. I gave little gems words and stuff in there. I still have it.

The most joyful family reasons for me now are when all the younger siblings are at “the farmers “[ the Gilmours family home in West Sussex] in the spring. We pick nettles and make a big nettle soup, sit by the burn and have a sing-song. The last experience it happened, the Beyonc album( Lemonade) had just come out and we stirred David cover the whole album from start to finish on the guitar. There was always so much music around in the members of this house it was a is a great pleasure act to experience and discover and talk about a Leonard Cohen record playing or something along those lines, and my dad was always strumming something.

At numerous seasons Ive thought about being a father myself, or had to think about it, but as Im merely 26, I dont seem Im quite ready for small children, although I would like to in future. The interrogation is whether I would be as hopeless as my own biological father but as I believe in nurture over nature, I very much hope I would have my real parents excellent parenting skills.

I experienced so lucky to have the parents I have when I went to prison.[ Charlie acted four months, then four under house arrest( on label when he gotta go back to his mothers house in Hove ), and then spent eight on probation .]

I seemed extremely guilty that my mothers were having to go through this. I was 21, so I was one of a very young people in Wandsworth prison.

They didnt know when I was safe or when I was in danger and my mum is quite morbid, so she used certainly seeing the most difficult. Before I croaked in I thought that[ the option of being raped or worse] was going to be a real trouble. When I disappeared in, it wasnt, which I am very happy about.

What I felt exceedingly stimulating was the solidarity that exists between inmates generally. I am still friends with lots of the person or persons I met in there.[ He indicates me a paint of him by an inmate .]

I was terribly lucky when I was in prison because I had this huge assistance system of family and friends and total strangers. That was one of the best thoughts you are able to have in prison simply to get you through. A batch of the other people I met didnt. There was one cellmate who had been given four years. His mother had writes to him formerly and that was to tell him not to write he saved that note under his bed and would occasionally precisely get it out and re-read it. I was getting 20 letters a daytime my uncle sent a postcard every single daytime. It experienced very unfair.

For me, prisons are more or less unremittingly depressing people just being made worse. So when I came in and understood the Liberty Choir something positive happening in prison I was truly stunned and quite inspired.

David and Polly have strong views about the prison setting and they asked me if I thought it was worth supporting the choir. I said yes. And our participation me find some elation in prison, my mothers knowing that such a programme exists in a prison has been mending for all of us.

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David and Charlie. Image: Sarah Lee for the Guardian

David Gilmour

I rose on to the scene when Charlie was two. My ex-wife and I had been separated and on the road to divorce I had been extended for four years. I was then 46[ he is now 70 ].

I adored Polly and I also loved her little son. He was incredible. He liked me at first, but when he realised that it was getting serious, he had a little change of heart. He was used to having only his mum and me being there, well, he did a unclean affirm formerly and said that I smelled, occasions like that.

It wasnt bad at all. He was scrupulous hes still carefully considered. He doesnt give himself away to parties, inexpensively or gently. He would ever be very cautious of beings. But then Polly and I are like that, too. Were not over-approachable and dont change into love with both feet. Were distrustful and take our time.

Polly was quite ill at the beginning. She had glandular fever and was feeble and was never that great at getting up in the mornings. I was an early bird ever happy to get up, ever happy to make breakfast and nothing a kid could do could faze me. Id already had four. He was Pollys first but I was a skilled parent, you are familiar with. So I would be getting up, taking Charlie to school in Highgate when he was two before we even moved in together.

After Charlie was around, and before Polly and I had offsprings, I did another Pink Floyd tour for six months or so in 1994. Then I made an album. Polly was residence with Charlie but[ my work commitment] wasnt as ruthless it was work in a studio in England, going home at six or seven at night, much more civilised. So the work is compatible with their own families thing.

I love being a dad. Its full of resentments and aggravations and nonsense, but the great minutes are just so great. They are lovely. “Theres” those instants, and ought to have with all of my children.

We guessed I should adopt Charlie as soon as possible. I thought the probabilities were that Polly and I would have infants together and that I should go on and accept him to give him firmly in the whole thing.

There was some trouble with the older siblings and there was sometimes a little bit of ganging up on Charlie.

I have been asked whether they made an example of Charlie[ going to prison] because he had a stone hotshot father. The reality of the matter is that his first glory was a image on the front sheet of a newspaper with the issue, Who is this daughter?

Because the picture of him swinging on the Cenotaph, with his long hair acquired them think he was a girl. So the first time it strike the newspapers, it wasnt are attached to me. But, of course, as soon as it became know that it wasnt a girl and “its been” Charlie and he was my son and everything, you know

Ive been bonded to Charlie as his daddy since he was three, so it was appalling and we were incensed with the unfairnes of it. We were very concerned about his aid. Pollys evocative imagination led her to being convinced that ghastly acts were bound to happen and my role was to convince her that “theyre not” going to happen and that they were very, very unlikely to happen. So I had to dig into my compartmentalisation skills and contend to myself that there was no threats to him and that everything was fine, and to try to keep our family sanity together.

Actually, I wasnt amazed when Charlie told me he was going back into Wandsworth prison to see the Liberty Choir. Nothing surprises me in that method about him because hes a human being of amazing empathy. Hes a really good person. It is a very courageous thought to do but then hes a defy person.

Polly and I were both intrigued, where reference is told us about it subsequentlies, and we thought wed must be followed to ascertain what it was like so we came to see its present session with the big choir in the school and then into the prison choir, and met it amazing.

What is clear is that Charlie has tried to do something good with his experience.

David Gilmour is the new patron of the Liberty Choir, which was founded by MJ Paranzino and Ginny Dougary, and launched in Wandsworth prison, south London, in 2014. If “youre willing to” donating, helping to reduce reoffending and offering prisoners a lifeline, catch out more at libertychoir.org

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